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Vermont Education Secretary pitches the governor’s school funding plan, answers our ?? about how school choice and religious schools fit into it
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Great interview, Guy.
Your questions astutely and politely extracted the fact that we didn’t learn anything specific about the Scott/Saunders education plan. There was a lot of speculation and ‘feel good’ sentiment expressed, but nothing concrete.
If I may, when you get the chance, will you ask Ms. Saunders when we will see the actual plan? Something tells me it’s going to be a while.
And, of course, while we await specifics, you might ask Ms. Saunders about the H.89 School Choice bill that requires no planning but simply expands Vermont’s already popular, less expensive, and longstanding School Choice tutioning opportunity to all Vermont parents and their children.
Really looking for a way to support Zoie Saunders, but this is typical centralist thinking. Putting a “cap” on local initiatives? A new gym is really “the extra”? “Shared accountability of outcomes”? Making sure public dollars are invested to “best serve students”? (Who gets to decide that?)
Sorry. Not buying the premise of greater “school choice” opportunities either. Bill H.89 is a straight forward parents’ choice for what is best for their children. Administering at the state level should alleviate any concerns about “property value equity”. Come on Governor.
I agree with you.
translation:
We are going to keep doing more of the same with different funding sources, we have no intention of reducing expenses, we will continue to be the most expensive in the country our multiyear plan will consolidate power and decision making but will not reduce the cost. We are most concerned about making sure someone doesn’t have more money in one school than another, and as I haven’t even spoken about the outcomes of our students, we don’t care we are ranked at the bottom.
Summary notes, with Marxist decoder ring applied:
Equity, (more money, promoting envy)
Parity, (more money)
Paying teachers more generously, (more money)
10x difference in property wealth, Brigham Decision, (more money)
we have school choice ?!*$?, (red herring)
can apply to be part of the system, (but you won’t like it and we’re going to say no)
shared accountability in outcomes, (marxism)
strong foundation of public schools, (more money)
future proofing our system, (complete state control)
still going to be one of the top spenders in education in the nation, (more money)
improving educational opportunities (more money)
schools central about building vibrant communities (marxism)
multiyear approach (we aren’t’ going to tell you our plans)
modeling…..lots of modeling (we have no idea what we’re doing)
intentional bus routes (lol) (we have no idea about vermont)
more efficiencies (smoke screen)
buy down property taxes (pushing expenses to a later date, more money)
significant inequity across state (marxism)
funding in a new way (more money, from a different pocket, more state control)
We will see no change in the Vermont school system, we have snakes running the show.
btw….federal law just banned DEI,
The Brigham Decision is what started us down this slope of inane property taxes. All for a person who before buying a home failed to research area schools.
The Brigham Decision is the sole reason we will never solve the problem; somebody has something someone else wants. it’s keeping up with the Jones in a neighborhood but with education spending.
If I recall it was all about some school not have computer access, which really isn’t, nor wasn’t a necessity anyway.
All of Vermont is handicapped, we can’t have orchesta’s, multiple sports games in every town, we just don’t have the people to start.
If we are spending more than the entire nation, dare I say world on education, where are the results????? We are mediocre at best! It’s only making Vermonters poor.
Vermont is poor. If you don’t understand that, you can’t really make any decisions for the taxpayer. We can’t adopt big city solutions for small towns, it doesn’t work. And challenges in life make you a better person, not disadvantaged. Below is a classic example of what mankind can do with little or no funds. This is how Vermont has operated for centuries.
We are at a unique opportunity in Vermont. The most remote locations can have complete access to the world of knowledge via the library system and the internet, with Star link being able to provide better connections at any location.
How many teachers/students and legislators have worked and been educated in a one room or two room schoolhouses? How many of our great leaders in times past? How many of our great scientists and industrialists? How are the once prestigious colleges now ranking in the public’s view and in the real world?
How to do more with less and delayed gratification are perhaps one of the most important tools a person, a child could ever learn, it is foundation in life and leads to a much better outcome. Asking how can I be better with less? How can I reach my goals, be grateful for what I have and use everything to my ability. This is the lesson these men learned and prosper from. This is how we can make our school systems better, for about 79% less than our current budget. But as any military operation involved with subversion knows, you need to have complete control of the educational system to be effective in regime change, from a Republic to a New World Order…..
This video is wild, enjoy.
Their mantra, no gym, no problem…….should be our mantra in Vermont.
Again, Vermont is poor, having the most expensive educational system in the entire United States and perhaps the world is so stupid, so derelict in duty that it defies imagination and common sense. Based upon this interview, nothing will change. If you need a fancy gym, fancy sports, stay in Ct or Ny…we can do fine without you.
I ask everyone, especially Governor Scott and VT Ed. Sec. Zoie Saunders, to watch this interview with Hannah Frankman, founder of Renegade Educator and an advocate for alternative education models.
Yes, it’s a two-hour investment of your time. But if you compare that two-hour investment with what you learned spending 20 minutes watching the Saunders interview, and the potential of saving 20% on your property tax bill every year, not to mention improved student outcomes, how many dollars per hour might you be earning. I think it’s well worth your time.
https://rumble.com/v56qrhn-how-public-schools-crush-creativity-and-critical-thinking.html
Please understand from the start that today’s public education ‘model’, the ‘model’ Zoie Saunders referenced, is not only antiquated, it’s obsolete. It’s dangerous. It’s failing, dramatically, from virtually every perspective except to ingratiate its educator class. Student success is secondary. In fact, student success is the antithesis of the incentives effectuating the traditional public-school monopoly.
We are going through a phenomenal period of technological change, and the current education ‘model’ can’t possibly adapt to or thrive in this environment. We and our children are being left behind. Parents and taxpayers are being bankrupted by the system. Governor Scott and Sec. Saunders should give parents the life raft of choosing their own destiny as opposed to arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
The H.89 School Choice bill is, literally and figuratively, a life raft… for all of us.
Jay thank you for this video, watching now…..here’s another….
Jay, that video link is amazing, watched the entire video. Vermont is the perfect place for educational transformation, we have all the pieces in place.
She was talking about micro schools. They were talking about education, high quality costing $6500 and $10,000 per student, that should be our goal as a state, and as you well know it’s unaffordable on top of everything in Vermont being unaffordable to start. She spoke about how mom’s shared part time jobs and over seeing a home school. She talked about all the different kinds of schools, ironically some that complete shun computers for children, when Vermont school systems were complete upheaved and gone bonkers because one school didn’t have the latest apple computer. All the internet education now available. I’m of the very firm belief that families can get this done for $3500 or $4,000 per year or less. And with the help of communities and those outside of a specific town scholarships could help those who are of very modest means. There is a way to get things done.
What we are being presented is the biggest piece of garbage, since the last proposal, but even worse.
What brought me to tears, what are we going to do as a father, a Dad? The system is making it near impossible, they will not change, there is too much money and power involved, like all things Marxist.
With slight modifications from the above discussion, our system could be transformed, better families, better education, better state, better use of money and time, happier outcomes for 96% of the state.
We only need to come together. There are about 4-5 people that could make this happen, you’re one, there is another who likes to stay out of the limelight and knows our education system better than anyone and another that is looking to make serious change in Vermont and has the financial clout and capabilities to make things happen.
We can transform our education, and they can’t stop us. We don’t need their money; we don’t need their permission. We only need to get a few willing people to work in harmony and things will happen. When it starts to happen, it will happen for a while and then suddenly it will catch on fire likes of which they won’t be able to deal with.
Great video, great video, would love to come together with a few like-minded people, this insanity has to stop.
This is not in opposition to your school choice. It would give them choices to go too! We’d be waiting in the wings so to speak. Talk about fun!
TGBTG
Wouldn’t it be amazing to have 4-12 mirco schools up and functioning well if and when they pass school choice? to have 4-12 mirco schools operating well would also change things when word got out……because people would realize they’d been paying $500 for crappy chip board toilet seat when they could have gotten a form fitting, self-closing, sturdier toilet seat for $65.
Vermont is the perfect setting in so many ways, massive corruption/bloated budgets and a playing field that will never fit their industrial school complex mentality. It’s time for us to truly shine in this state, there is no reason for it not to happen.
If the academic achievement level of our students is below the national average and reading scores are 49th in the nation why are our teachers being paid so much? Perhaps they should be paid according to the students score averages when compared to the rest of the nation. Seems we are paying premium prices for mediocre results.
Too much fat in schools. Do you know teachers are ” team teaching”? That’s two 100k+ teachers sharing classes. The “support” systems are a waste; students walk all over them. Free food for all in the name of “equity”. Classes like, “men and masculinity” being taught instead of traditional courses. DEI massive waste. Central Office employees “working from home”……The list is ENDLESS. Until we get real it ain’t getting better.
Neil, et al.: The potential that will be unleashed by an educational free market will be phenomenal. As you can see in Austin, TX, it already is. Micro Schools are but one aspect of beneficial change in the education matrix. And please understand – some of us have been using the Micro School model here in Vermont for decades. The possibilities are literally infinite.
And education costs will decline precipitously. Think about the cost of your TV. Since 1990 the equivalent cost of a TV has declined more than 90%. Picture resolution is better than the average eye can see. Programming is ubiquitous. And this is just the beginning.
Phil, it’s not that there’s too much fat in schools. ‘Schools’, as we currently see them in the 19th century Horace Mann model, are obsolete beyond comprehension.
All we have to do is pass H.89 and let the genie out of its bottle.
What you say is true, hence the problem. Hopefully they pass H.89.
I did see the massive irony, that one school system shuns media for children, the exact opposite of why our entire school system became a joke because of the Brigham Decision, which is a stupid decision. The Brigham decision should also be it’s own doing, how is it we have the highest cost per student, but none of the resources the other states have? See how that works/doesn’t work?
You can’t get the same services in a town of 1500 people that a town of 150,000 has to offer, it just can’t be done. And this is the problem with transplants, big city policy doesn’t work in country settings, it doesn’t work period, but that’s beside the point.
Much like small and large churches. However, you can get the same guiding principles, the same education, you won’t be spoon fed, you’ll have to make your own fun in a small church, same for school, and ironically you will be all the better for it. Just like the athletes above in the NYC Calisthenics Dept. They had no money, no gym, “no shakes”, “no meat”, “no pills” and look what they did! More depth in that pool of athletes than most, for sure.
Jay, thanks for sending the video, wonderful people in it and topics of discussion. Would love to have been a part of that, also about methods…thinking of musical training and apprentice ship, there is also merit to these. It’s tough to become a musician on your own, without scales, without the basics, some might say the same for life.
Keep up the great work.
Jay, you would be my choice for leading the department of education……our children would be much better for it too.
Neil: Considering the risk that my expressed silence on your stated ‘choice for leading the department of education’ might be construed as my implied consent, I‘m taking this opportunity to say, with all due respect to your judgment, that I’m unqualified and have no interest in the position.
In my opinion, we need a Department of Education about as much as we need a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, or several of the many other dysfunctional and irrelevant agencies and commissions of people who simply want to feel important while they struggle to think well of themselves.