Another bill would ban gun possession at polls, allow towns to ban possession at town office
By Guy Page
As reported Jan. 5, a bill to ban ‘semiautomatic assault weapons’ was introduced into the Vermont House on the first day of the 2024 Legislature. But it’s not the only proposed gun control measure so far this year. Others include:
| H.561 | Prohibiting firearms at polling places and requiring that lost or stolen firearms be reported to a law enforcement agency. Senate companion bill: S.212. | |
| H.559 | Voluntary license to purchase firearms, 72-hour waiting period waived. | |
| H.525 | Ordinances governing the possession of firearms in a municipal building |
Under H.561, carrying firearms to the polls carries a punishment of up to a year in prison or a $1000 fine or both. Failure to report a lost/stolen firearm within 72 hours would be punishable with up to a $250 fine. It’s sponsored by House Judiciary Chair Martin Lalonde (D-South Burlington) and Rep. Angela Arsenault (D-Williston).
H.559, also sponsored by Lalonde, would “establish a voluntary firearms licensing system in Vermont that permits a person to obtain a license from the Department of Public Safety to purchase a firearm. A person who has obtained a license is not subject to the 72-hour waiting period requirement when purchasing a firearm.”
Vermont, unlike many other states, has no gun licensing requirement or government infrastructure. Applications would include:
(1) a full physical description of the applicant;
(2) full information concerning the applicant’s criminal record and relevant information concerning mental health history;
(3) a set of the applicant’s fingerprints;
(4) the names and contact information of the applicant’s spouse, domestic partner, and any other adults who reside in the applicant’s home; and
(5) the names of any minors who reside in the applicant’s home, plus reports from state and federal criminal authorities.
Vermont’s 72-hour waiting period became law last year and is being challenged in court by opponents who say that recent Supreme Court decisions are on their side.
H525, introduced by Rep. Jim Harrison (R-Chittenden) and Arsenault, “authorizes the legislative body of a municipality to adopt an ordinance that prohibits the possession of firearms in a municipal building.”
A bill more appealing to gun rights supporters also has been introduced. H.743, introduced by Rep. Pat Brennan (R-Colchester) and several other Republicans, proposes an “exemption to the firearms transfer waiting period for persons who already own firearms.”
The bill’s 16 co-sponsors are Reps. Carolyn Branagan, William Canfield, Paul Clifford,
Allen “Penny” Demar, Rodney Graham, Lisa Hango, Larry Labor, Michael Morgan, Thomas Oliver, Woodman Page, Joseph Parsons, Charles “Butch” Shaw, Brian Smith, Christopher Taylor, Matthew Walker, and Terri Williams. All are Republicans.
More Information on the proposed ‘assault weapon’ ban, introduced by Rep. Mike Mrowicki (D-Putney), can be found on the Legislature’s website by reading the Jan. 5 Vermont Daily Chronicle story or by clicking on this listing on the Legislature’s web page:
| H.582 | Prohibiting possession of semiautomatic assault weapons. A ‘companion’ bill, S. 239, has been introduced into the Senate. |
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Rep. Martin Lalonde, sounds like he’s worried, maybe over some of the foolish legislation he’s tried to pass, my God, where do we get these clowns !!
No thanks, I’ll just follow the US Constitution, which I’ll trust, not some progressive
buffoon “A picture is worth a thousand words” …………………………………….
Clowns ? Under the big top ?
80% of our current legislators are fringe alt left social activists and not industrious business owners looking out for what is best for the working Vermont families. But zi am sure you are well aware of that like most of us here.
When Lalonde(from California) was running for his 2nd term, he ran unopposed. He sent an e-mail to his fellow losers in Montpelier saying (paraphrased) “They can’t even get anyone to run against me. We should take everything we can now”.
He’s a schoolyard bully with a bow tie. He doesn’t care one bit about Vermont, only what he can bully through the legislature.
Why would I ever want to provide any such information in a “voluntary” licensing scheme to a government hell bent on eventually banning all firearms from its citizens? God knows what they would do with that information in the future.
lalonde’s bill includes this verbiage-
(6) would, if the applicant possessed a firearm, pose a risk of causing harm to themselves, to another person, or to the public.
Presumably- but not specifically stated- the department of public safety makes this determination, based on criteria not specified. For anyone to subject themselves to this level of unspecified scrutiny is certain folly. I smell a trap, coupled with a Catch-22. Based on lalonde’s history of anti-gun legislation, this bill is suspect at best. It is a bill containing a small carrot- baiting a very large trap.
A trap ? I thought Lalonde wss against trapping ? 🙂
No, you know exactly what they will use this information for in the future .
Unconstitutional waiting period is unconstitutional.
I am really trying hard not to be super frank with you conservatives.
Even the new instructions above the comment section is keeping you all from being real. So, live by the censorship, die by the censorship.
That’s all I’m gonna say.
Ironically, you effectively censored yourself.
Where did south Burlington find this idiot? He and they constantly try to deny our constitutional rights. Crawl back to what ever rat hole state you came from.
Banning of Semiautomatic Assault weapons. I find interesting the word ASSAULT. Assault weapons you need a special license to buy and possess them. If you are calling all semiautomatic weapons assault weapons, that we have 70 million semiautomatic weapons in the U.S, all legally owned by law abiding citizens. How that number filters into Vermont owned semiautomatic weapons I am unsure; but a Semiautomatic weapon is not an assault weapon. Unless you manufacturer the word to fit a narrative. In doing that a BB gun, Pellet gun, and every firearm (even single shot) you can assault someone. All handgun (with the exception of revolvers) are semiautomatic (with a few exceptions). Rifles (with the exception of bolt and lever action) are mostly semiautomatic too. That last phrase (written to the government) in the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution that says “shall not infringe” ; means just that.
A dilettante with time on his hands. Where do they find any of them?
You’d be surprised what you’ll find when you start flipping over slimey rocks .
Why would anyone want to pursue some voluntary gun “license”? We already have 2 gun licenses: Article 16 of the Vermont Constitution and the Second Amendment to the US Constitution…
How did Charlton Heston put it ?
From my cold, dead hands !
hmm Rep. Carolyn Branagan supported Democrat bill H.723 and now co-sponsors H.559, rightly so as it is unconstitutional. She’s all over the place with voting.
Every time I encounter a sign that reads: “Firearms are not permitted on these premises”, I can not help but snicker and think, yea, as if a deranged individual intent on shooting someone will read the sign and immediately obey. Now, if the sign said: ” We encourage responsible citizen to conceal and carry their firearms in these premises”, then possibly a deranged individual will think twice before undertaking a heinous crime.
Amen Brother !
Nope, nope, and nope to this whole unconstitutional mess….
Dumb dumb dumb
Consider the source .
when phyzer phil shut the state down in this covid scandal, the overthrow of the vermont constitution was installed/// all house and senate members did not object to this /////all are guilty of treason and mass murder pushing the covid kill shot/// not one of them did a press release to stop this/// this is a mafia case///
Chip, chip, chipping’ away.
It’s most often the way evil works. Slowly, subtly, little by little undermine the foundations of truth and liberty until you’ve given it all away and have got nothing left.
Might I also suggest that those who are most inclined to illegally use firearms to shoot and kill people are probably those who are the least inclined to show up at polling places. Can’t substantiate that with proof, but just have that sense.
Illegal activities concerning elections and polling places have gone off quite well in recent years without the use of firearms.
Would he voluntarily jump off a bridge.. what a waste of time. Go back to where ever you came from..
Would he ? No, but he may ask you to .
Civil rights violations are illegal. This will never end until people go to jail for civil rights violations, or conspiracy to commit civil rights violations, or derelict of duty. 2 class system of people. Some that need to follow the laws, and other “protected people” that don’t.
Nope ! Unconstitutional gun laws are just that ! Unconstitutional ! These clowns have no skin in the games they play. They are spending OUR OWN taxpayer money to fight the lawsuits that come after they pass these fraudulent laws. Just make sure you remember that when it comes time to vote these clowns out !
And I’m sure after something starts out as a “voluntary licensing program” it will evolve into a mandatory licensing with annual fifty dollar renewals and a ton of red tape. The camel is trying to get its nose under the tent!
I personally suggest: a bill making it impossible to hold a VT government seat without having been a FULL TIME VT resident for at least 5, preferably 10 years AND all those whom have attained said seats be retroactively removed along with whatever laws they have had come to fruition. Same cannot be part of our government again without landslide voting in. Help me make it viral, spread the word. It’s time we stop digging the dirt out from under our states very foundations, and that has nothing to do with a person’s chosen sexuality for the record. Let’s focus on what actually makes the world go round, not some religious interpretation. Speaking of, its time for freedom “of and from”, the only way you’re going to stop the spread of all the hate going around right now and move forward. Chew on that one for a while, buy yourself a book and read it. Stop listening to the influencers.
Although I think I want to add that anyone from California must have resided here for at least 20 and have some kind of “old time” roots family wise that allows for some semblance of common sense. Running the watercolor society qualifies you more for helping out as a daycare aid a lot more so than holding a public seat.
I am totally for aware considerations about how the world functionally goes around, but do not support anyone changing anything that affects a person’s right to their best tool for self defense in this country.
Moe common sense and law upholding, less malicious intent back on our streets is the way this path should be focused. Stop messing with a “good state”!
by now you should know that carolyn branagan only represents herself///most of these people in franklin county have been screwed for years by her///but they keep on voting her back in///watch what she does not what she says///
As it says, “All topics and opinions welcome! Real names preferred. No profanity, explicit racist or sexually demeaning language, or personal criticism/mocking of other commenters allowed”.
In reading the article it’s astonishing how the Democrat Progressive Socialists can profane the Constitution of the United States, propose the slavery of subserviency with the threat of fine in jail, demean our sense of integrity as law abiding sportsmen & women and insult our intelligence by misdefining a semiautomatic deer rifle.
What exactly will it take to tip the scales?
Sodomy; abortion in the ninth month; drag queen story hours; grooming our children in government schools; proclaiming the false narrative that man controls the universe and its weather?
Our congressional delegation is comprised of a Marxist from Brooklyn NY, a lesbian from Peekskill, NY, and the epitome of white privilege from Springfield, Massachusetts …. no profanity, no explicit racist or sexually demeaning language, or personal criticism/mocking – simply the truth.
VERMONTERS were much better off when there were more cows than people ….
I WILL NOT OBEY.
I WILL NOT COMPLY.
The “Voluntary Gun License” is aptly named because Mr. LaLonde wants to deceive you to voluntarily give up your rights. The bait to put you in the trick bag is the waiver of the 72-hour waiting period for giving up all your personal information for the knowledge of knowing who owns a gun and set up a gun registry.
This monkey see monkey do legislation is to bring Vermont in line with the other surrounding heavily gun controlled states, MA, CT, NY, RI.
Look what they are doing in CT. They passed an “assault weapons” ban and told the residents they had to register their “assault rifles” the ones that the State of Connecticut didn’t know you had unless you registered it. The state was telling the residents that their pistol permits would be pulled if they were found with an unregistered “assault weapon”. People who already owned these weapons would be grandfathered in and could keep the if they registered them. Thankfully like the State of Illinois a lot of Nutmegger’s did not register their weapons.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
Now lo and behold, the communist governor of CT Ned Lamont wants to make all 80,000 of the grandfathered in weapons illegal.
https://www.ctinsider.com/politics/article/CT-Ned-Lamont-assault-weapons-ban-17556811.php
This is what LaLonde is doing, deceive, inveigle and obfuscate in a way to try to convince you to give up your gun rights and then change the rules. Government has no authority delegated to it by the Constitution to deceive its citizens into waiving their rights or acquiescing to the loss of their rights by subterfuge, scam, fraud, or force.
THE 2nd AMENDMENT DOES NOT GRANT US THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. THE 2nd AMENDMENT TELLS THE GOVERNMENT IT CANNOT INFRINGE ON OUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS – PERIOD! THEREFORE, ALL GUN CONTROL UNDER THE CONSTITUTION IS ILLEGAL!
Magazine capacity ban – ILLEGAL
72-hour purchase wait – ILLEGAL
Background checks – ILLEGAL
Assault Weapons Ban – ILLEGAL
“The very text of the 2nd Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and only declares it shall not be infringed”. – Antonin Scalia
“The Constitution is not a living organism, it’s a legal document, and it says what it says, and it doesn’t say what it doesn’t say”. – Antonin Scalia
DO NOT OBEY
DO NOT COMPLY
CIRCUMVENT THEIR UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS IN ANY WAY YOU CAN.
UNCONSTITUNAL – https://redstate.com/wardclark/2024/01/13/bruen-strikes-again-ban-on-guns-in-post-offices-tossed-out-ruled-unconstitutional-n2168690
Thanks to a decision by a federal judge in Florida on Friday, American citizens who are legally carrying concealed sidearms can no longer be barred from carrying inside a United States Post Office — buildings that are a quasi-part of the federal government and, in effect, the property of the American people.
This clown LaLonde wants you to voluntarily give up your right of constitutional carry with the bait being you will fore go the unconstitutional Vermont 72 hour waiting period to purchase a firearm. This way the state can create data base of firearm owners.
On June 23, 2022, the United States Supreme Court, in New York State Rifle & Pistol Assn., Inc. v. Bruen, 1. rendered one of the most significant decisions to be issued on the Second Amendment in over a decade. It struck down as unconstitutional New York State’s concealed carry law that required an individual to prove “proper cause” existed before a license would be issued allowing that person to carry a concealed pistol or revolver in public. 2 The court held that this “proper cause” requirement violated the 14th Amendment because it prevented law-abiding citizens who have ordinary self-defense needs – as opposed to specific articulable reasons that show they may be vulnerable to harm – from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Basically, YOU CAN’T LICENCE A RIGHT!
LaLonde and the politicians like him always have an alternate motive like the governor of Connecticut that told the residents of CT that if they registered their so-called assault weapons, they would be grandfathered in to keep them. Now he has changed his mind and wants to make all the grandfathered in weapons illegal.
https://www.ctinsider.com/politics/article/CT-Ned-Lamont-assault-weapons-ban-17556811.php
Thankfully a lot of people in CT did not fall for the trap and register them. The state of Illinois just passed a law that all “assault style weapons ” must be registered and that law is meeting mass resistance. The state of Illinois used the same promise to induce citizens to register. The state banned assault-style weapons a year ago but allowed people to keep the ones they already possessed — provided they register them before Jan. 1, 2024.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
Less than 1% of gun owners are registering under the new law in Illinois.
https://newschannel20.com/news/local/illinois-gun-owners-risk-criminal-charges-as-less-than-1-register-weapons-under-new-law
Government has no authority delegated to it by the Constitution to deceive its citizens into waiving their rights or acquiescing to the loss of their rights by subterfuge, scam, fraud, or force. DO NOT VOLUNTARILY GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS!
“If society is honest and historically accurate, the only question that has any relevance to the gun control debate is, Do you trust those in government, now and in the future, to not take your life, liberty or property thru force of government? If the answer to that question is “no”, the gun control debate is over”. – KrisAnn Hall, JD
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the people must be stopped, by force if necessary”. – Ronald Reagan
legally carrying concealed sidearm////if a permit is required this is a second amendment violation/// this becomes a privilege allowed by a government///you become the serf///
you will own nothing and be happy, be a happy slave, being a serf is off the table. Hope you enjoyed your republic. We have different plans for you now.
Lovingly,
Karl Shwab
Head Pimp NWO
This fool needs a CIA induced heart issue
How did we end up with out of state idiots in charge.